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James of Seattle's avatar

This is a very nice and thorough refutation of panpsychism, but I suggest that your brush is slightly too broad. The problem is your use of “proto”. I’m a physicalist for all the reasons you provide, but I’m also a panprotopsychist. Every physical thing has a property that is one step away from being involved in experience. That property is mutual information, following from the fact that every physical process follows patterns we call physical laws. The proto-experience becomes experience when that property is used for a purpose. The best phrase I have for indicating an experience is pattern recognition.

So I balk when you say no one seriously thinks bacteria are conscious. No one seriously thought that water was made from hydrogen and oxygen, until they did. A single molecule of water has no resemblance to liquid, snowflakes, or humidity, just as the consciousness of bacteria has no (well, little) resemblance to human consciousness. But when you understand that the basis of consciousness is pattern recognition, you can understand how nature would produce a cell whose whole purpose is to be a general-purpose pattern recognizer: the neuron. You can understand how nature would produce combinations and hierarchies of pattern recognitions. You can understand how pattern recognition explains information integration, “global broadcast” , predictive processing, etc.

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John Merryman's avatar

I think there are big holes in our understanding of physics, that dealing with might shed some, feeble light on the situation of consciousness.

For one thing, as mobile organisms, this sentient interface our body has with its situation functions as a sequence of perceptions, in order to navigate, so our experience of time is this narrative flow, from past to future, while the evident reality is that activity and the resulting change turns future to past.

Tomorrow becomes yesterday, because the earth turns.

There is no dimension of time, because the past is consumed by the present, to inform and drive it. Causality and conservation of energy. Cause becomes effect.

No time traveling around the fabric of spacetime, as it is more a tapestry being woven of stands being pulled from what was woven.

Energy is “conserved,” because it manifests this presence, creating time, temperature, pressure, color, sound, as frequencies and amplitudes, rates and degrees.

The present goes past to future, as the patterns generated go future to past, because energy drives the wave, the fluctuations rise and fall. No tiny strings necessary.

Consciousness also goes past to future, as the perceptions, emotions and thoughts giving it form and structure go future to past. Suggesting consciousness manifests as energy.

As it is the digestive system processing the energy, feeding the flame, while the nervous system sorts the patterns, signals from the noise, there does tend to be this cognitive focus on the patterns, the form, information, than trying to reverse engineer cause from them. “It from bit.”

The problem is that structure is recursive, while energy is expansive.

Galaxies are structure coalescing in, as light radiates out.

Meanwhile all that excess energy, noise, is traded around, creating overall equilibrium. Black holes and black body radiation.

The light you see reflected off the surfaces around you are the frequencies not absorbed by them.

So the essence of the node is synchronization. Everything on the same wavelength, functioning as one.

While the essence of the network is harmonization. All the energies traced around.

As multicellular organisms, it is our nervous system that coordinates all the cells and organs into one fairly coherent entity.

It is the circulations system that sustains harmony across this ecosystem of cells and organs.

We do have a similar problem with energy, as with consciousness, in that it can only be defined in terms of the forms it is manifesting, as it is the patterns our minds are designed to process.

Yet the patterns are effect, not cause.

The excessive formalism has sterilized our world.

Consider how much our consciousness is both constantly building up the structures that support its growth and expansion, while tearing down any that might get in its way. Often conflicting with other centers of focus.

Our mind is not so much source of this impulse, as its referee. The point where they meet and hash out, fight over which prevails.

In personal terms it might be lower, baser desires versus higher order judgments.

The anarchies of desire, versus the tyrannies of judgment.

In group settings, it would be various factions attempting to assert authority over the direction of the group.

Etc.

Not that this gets to the source of this sentience, but that we still have a long ways to go, with understanding how it interacts with this multi spectrum existence.

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